In David Marchese's interview with Herman Daly, Daly argues that growth is not necessarily an ultimate end or goal to have, and instead, we should focus on "ultimate means" and a steady-state economy. This approach to economics is considered novel because it shifts the focus away from a goal like growth to the way in which we make decisions and value things in pursuit of a goal. His answer to growth is a steady-state economy, i.e. one in which the quality of life improves but the economy doesn't necessarily have to expand